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How highly effective is the Quest 2? – Half 1

Quest 2 is roughly as highly effective as an Xbox One S (or 2019’s greatest AMD APU)

(Written Oct 2020, Posted Nov 2020)

Half 2 now out there: https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/feedback/l5ayje/how_powerful_is_the_oculus_quest_2_part_2_is_the/


Many have mentioned the Quest 2’s {hardware} on the subject of graphical and processing capabilities however with no actual reference as to how highly effective it’s in comparison with different non-VR {hardware} available on the market. I hope to share some perspective, with the conclusion that the Quest 2 is certainly roughly(!) as highly effective as an Xbox One S or as final yr’s greatest AMD APU. Please put in your geek-hat for this as a result of this will probably be an extended put up however I feel it’s essential to map the route I took to this conclusion in order that I can do my greatest to persuade you that this isn’t simply the ramblings of a mad man on reddit (or not less than not essentially the most mad man right here). In case you are questioning why your Quest 2 video games don’t look pretty much as good as video games on Xbox One S, I’ll have to avoid wasting that for one more put up, however please bear with me regardless. All hyperlinks to sources have been positioned on the finish.

Firstly, as everyone knows, the Quest 2 is powered by the Snapdragon XR2 chipset, which relies on the Snapdragon 865, which as of late 2020 is essentially the most highly effective Android cell SoC out there available on the market (apart from the boosted 865+ model). The XR2 and 865 share lots of the identical specs together with the onboard CPU and GPU, which is sensible because the XR2 is basically an 865 modified for standalone VR. In brief, the Snapdragon XR2 options an eight core Kryo 585 CPU (with no hyper threading), an Adreno 650 GPU and 6GB of onboard RAM. Sadly, processing ‘horsepower’ might be troublesome to quantify between completely different architectures, nevertheless instruments like Geekbench and 3DMark can not less than give us a ballpark concept of what we’re working with.

XR2 Equal PC Setup

Earlier than we get to that although, let’s begin with looking for PC equal {hardware} structure of the XR2/865. Within the curiosity of making an attempt to maintain this brief as I can, we will and may rule out CPU + discreet GPU combos as these are fairly far off when it comes to structure from a cell SoC. Fortunately this isn’t the one setup out there to PC customers, so we will look to CPUs with built-in graphics, and the 2 predominant client stage manufacturers for these choices are Intel and AMD techniques. Intel’s CPUs with built-in GPUs are nonetheless fairly far off when it comes to structure from any cell SoC as a result of association and methods the CPU and GPU are paired collectively and utilized, though the upcoming 11th gen pocket book processors are attempting to vary all that. Regardless, we’re then left with the nearer becoming AMD’s vary of APU techniques that are additionally an built-in CPU+GPU combo however that includes a way more symbiotic and synergetic relationship between these parts than we see from any of Intel’s releases as of but.

XR2’s CPU Benchmark

Now onto Geekbench for CPU comparisons. As of penning this, there are not any recorded benchmarks on Geekbench concerning the Quest 2 nevertheless as luck would have it, there’s a itemizing for a but unreleased HTC Vive Focus VR headset mannequin which can also be to be powered by an XR2. When it comes to recorded specs, it’s similar to the Quest 2 together with the reported ram of 5.5GB out there (6GB whole). This offers us our closest Quest 2 benchmark.

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Snapdragon XR2’s Kryo 585 CPU

The Snapdragon XR2’s Kryo 585 CPU marks a rating on Geekbench 5.2.Zero of 924 for Single-Core and 3416 for Multi-Core efficiency (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3664026). Now we have to see how its GPU festivals.

XR2’s GPU Benchmark and APU equal

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Snapdragon XR2’s Adreno 650 GPU

Utilizing Notebookcheck.web, we will see a variety of benchmarks for this cell GPU. Sadly, solely one of many benchmarks used additionally has information units for PC stage {hardware}, and this occurs to be ‘3DMark Ice Storm Limitless Graphics’, however any information is healthier than no information so let’s roll with that. Based mostly on this benchmark alone, the XR2’s Adreno 650 GPU is available in at a rating of “avg: 147509, median: 146854” (https://www.notebookcheck.web/Qualcomm-Adreno-650-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.448196.0.html).

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AMD Vega 11 GPU

Once we attempt to discover the closest equal out there on AMD APUs we will see that the Vega 11 is the closest albeit with a barely increased rating of “avg: 160025, median: 157382” (https://www.notebookcheck.web/AMD-Radeon-RX-Vega-11-GPU.278628.0.html). For those who had been to go one step down on AMD APU’s iGPUs, you’d get the the Vega 10 which scores far decrease than the 650 or the Vega 11, with “avg: 101421 median: 112390”, that means the Vega 10 shouldn’t be what we’re in search of. The Vega sequence is one in all AMD’s older GPU architectures which have been packaged on-board their latest and present APU techniques. One essential level to not neglect is that the APU’s built-in GPU depends on system RAM (not current on the APU itself) to be utilised as VRAM and having inadequate RAM can bottleneck efficiency (Vega 11 requires 16GB of DDR4 system RAM to carry out at its greatest though it’ll nonetheless run inside design parameters with 8GB or so). So worst case a Vega 11 wants 16GB of RAM plugged into the mobo which is a heap lot greater than the XR2’s onboard 6GB, however there’s not a lot we will do about this side and apart from, the best way RAM is utilised by the Android OS of the Quest 2 and Home windows 10 of a PC are fairly completely different, so let’s simply settle for that and maintain going.

XR2’s APU/CPU Equal

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AMD Ryzen 5 3400G’s CPU

A number of fashions of AMD APU’s function the Vega 11, however looking forwards and backwards we will see that the APU which utilises the Vega 11 that additionally options the closest CPU rating to the XR2 is the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G Desktop APU. The 3400G was AMD’s flagship APU mannequin of 2019 and a part of their ‘Picasso’ sequence. In brief, it’s the greatest client stage desktop AMD APU that was launched in 2019. The CPU onboard the 3400G is a Four Core, eight thread setup with a base clock of three.7ghz and enhance of 4.2Ghz, a lot quicker than speeds on our XR2 CPU however with Four fewer bodily cores. It achieves a median Geekbench rating of 935 for Single-Core and 3490 on Multi-Core (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2005616), which as you possibly can see may be very near the XR2’s 924 for Single-Core and 3416 for Multi-Core.

So the Xbox One S…?

Now that we’ve established that the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G is the closest PC equal to the XR2, let’s see the way it compares with an Xbox One S. To make clear, the Xbox One S is basically a revamped 2016 launch of the unique Xbox One with less expensive manufacturing, higher energy effectivity and the one important distinction being a boosted clock velocity on the GPU facet by about 7%. In all intents and functions, the Xbox One (OG) and Xbox One S are principally close to similar in efficiency with solely as much as a 7% enchancment on the S mannequin solely in GPU bottlenecked video games which interprets to about as much as a 2fps acquire in video games which hover round 30fps (take a look at the Digital Foundry on the finish if you wish to see any actual distinction). The S mannequin being the default Xbox One since 2016 makes it the default Xbox One mannequin we now use as a reference. The Xbox One S runs on an early and customized AMD APU based mostly on the ‘Jaguar’ sequence, which is also a part of the identical sequence that powers the PS4. Fanboyism apart, I feel anybody who lives in 2020 can now confidently say the S performs barely worse and/or delivers barely worse constancy than PS4 on most video games due to it is superior GPU, though the distinction can typically be negligible (that is related because the 3400G seems not to have the ability to carry out in addition to a PS4, however can match the Xbox One S, however please don’t take my phrase for it, watch Digital Foundry and the TechEpiphany movies on the finish after studying the remaining). This isn’t to say the Xbox One S was not a beast for its day, as a result of it was. The Xbox One S additionally occurs to function an AMD APU with an eight Core CPU clocked at 1.75Ghz (quicker than PS4’s, however not too completely different from the XR2 CPU’s base clock) paired with a GCN 2 based mostly GPU, and 8GB of DDR3 RAM (https://www.trustedreviews.com/critiques/xbox-one-s-specifications-and-features-page-2). Not unhealthy contemplating the OG XBOX One got here out again in 2013. In layman’s phrases, ‘Jaguar’ is principally the daddy to in the present day’s PC AMD APUs and the granddaddy to the APUs powering our newly launched unobtanium ninth gen consoles. Now what else makes the 3400G an excellent analog to make use of? Effectively, the 3400G PC APU is beneficial to us apart from it is parity with the XR2, as a result of on paper it is Vega 11 GPU is comparatively near that on the Xbox One S. The 3400G’s Vega 11 GPU is clocked at 1400MHz with a 704:44:16 configuration. As compared the Xbox One S’ GPU is 914MHz with 768:48:16. So while the Vega 11 is quicker than the XB1S in clock velocity, it lacks just a few unified shader and texture mapping items, however total positively inside the identical ballpark which you will notice. Anyway, once more this presents one other problem for comparisons as the identical score-based benchmark instruments and outcomes we used earlier should not out there between PC and Xbox One S.

Benchmarking Utilizing Video-games

To not fear, we at the moment are ready to make use of quite a lot of video-games to match efficiency due to multi-platform releases, and if something, these are far more helpful than obscure benchmark numbers on the subject of “real-world” efficiency. As a basic information, it seems the Xbox One S typically targets 900p-1080p for 30fps capped video games while it targets 720p-900p for 60fps or uncapped video games, and dynamic decision scaling is usually used to hit goal frame-rates when wanted. Graphical constancy settings fluctuate tremendously from recreation to recreation however PC setting choices permit for many to have the ability to be tweaked to match their console counterparts. Be at liberty to verify the movies I’ve linked on the finish to cross-check efficiency of a 3400G (with ample RAM and captured with an exterior card) on TechEpiphany’s movies in opposition to one in all Digital Foundry’s Xbox One S video’s. To summarize, you will notice comparatively related efficiency at related graphical constancy on demanding AAA video games equivalent to Battlefield V, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Crimson Lifeless Redemption 2 between the Xbox One S and AMD Ryzen 5 3400G APU, in addition to in lots of different video games. Some areas see a noticeable benefit on the PC {hardware} facet with video games equivalent to RDR2 working at round 34fps the place the Xbox One S struggles to hit 30fps, probably as a result of increased clock speeds of the 3400G’s CPU, however in most areas there are solely slight efficiency variations at related graphics settings. What’s nice about these video games specifically is that due to how demanding they’re on each techniques, you’ll see frequent efficiency dips below the frame-rate caps on the Xbox One S, suggesting it’s continually acting at or struggling to hit the frame-rate caps, both at 30fps or 60fps relying on the sport. For video games the place you do get a locked and easy 30 or 60fps efficiency on the Xbox One S, there is no such thing as a approach to inform whether or not it could possibly be persistently working barely increased than or a lot increased than goal, which is why demanding video games make for higher cross-platform bench-marking instruments. So to summarize, while you see efficiency dips on Xbox One S beneath the goal body price, it may be used to match body price to these on the 3400G which when cross-checked, exhibits efficiency parity at related graphical settings with a slight benefit for the 3400G in open-world video games resulting from it is CPU. Subsequently we will conclude {that a} 2019 AMD Ryzen 3400G APU is on the very least on par and as highly effective as a Xbox One S if no more.

Epilogue / Conclusion:

So there we go, the Quest 2’s XR2 does seem like roughly as highly effective as an AMD Ryzen 5 3400G desktop APU, and the 3400G does seem like not less than as highly effective as an Xbox One S. I hope extra information will probably be come out there within the coming months because the Quest 2 turns into extra distinguished. I apologize for making you learn so this a lot to get to this conclusion, however hope the information was helpful or on the very least entertaining indirectly. Once more, I’ll go over why video games on Quest 2 do not look pretty much as good as on Xbox One S regardless of the same efficiency capabilities in one other put up.

Thanks for studying and for using alongside!

See you in VR 🙂


Snapdragon XR2 official: https://www.qualcomm.com/merchandise/snapdragon-xr2-5g-platform

Snapdragon 865 Official: https://www.qualcomm.com/merchandise/snapdragon-865-plus-5g-mobile-platform

AMD Ryzen 5 3400G APU Official: https://www.amd.com/en/merchandise/apu/amd-ryzen-5-3400g

Digital Traits – Xbox One S Specs: https://www.trustedreviews.com/critiques/xbox-one-s-specifications-and-features-page-2

Geekbench XR2: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3664026

Geekbench AMD Ryzen 5 3400G: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2005616

Notebookcheck Adreno 650 (XR2): https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3664026

Notebookcheck Vega11 (3400G): https://www.notebookcheck.web/AMD-Radeon-RX-Vega-11-GPU.278628.0.html

Digital Foundry – Battlefield V on Xbox One S: https://youtu.be/NQ4b-EGr60U

Digital Foundry – Crimson Lifeless Redemption 2 on Xbox One S: https://youtu.be/_mTIPXwcDGQ?t=895

Digital Foundry – Xbox One vs Xbox One S: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju5cTcrWy4E

Digital Foundry – Shadow of the Tomb Raider on Xbox One S: https://youtu.be/AGMmxnPU0cU?t=925

TechEpiphany – Battlefield V on AMD Ryzen 5 3400G: https://youtu.be/5pHZyH-VzRk?t=260

TechEpiphany – Shadow of the Tomb Raider on AMD Ryzen 5 3400G: https://youtu.be/CwgL_ED9fn4?t=522

TechEpiphay – Crimson Lifeless Redemption 2 on AMD Ryzen 5 3400G: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HbvP2UF6hk

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